About the show
Two hosts, learning live
Consciously Incompetent is an Australian podcast about staying a learner long after your job title says you should have it sorted. Each episode is an honest conversation with a leader about something they haven't worked out yet.
The name, explained
Conscious incompetence is the moment you realise how much you do not know, and decide to keep leading anyway.
It is borrowed from the classic four-stages-of-competence model: unconscious incompetence, conscious incompetence, conscious competence, unconscious competence. Most people expect leaders to be sitting on stage four. We live in stage two, on purpose, because that is where the honest conversations happen.
Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence
Your hosts
The two voices behind the mic
Get to know your hosts in a little more detail. For more information, head over to their websites to see what they do when not on the mic.
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Daniel Franco
Host · Cofounder & Executive Director at Reframe Change
With 150 episodes of the wildly successful Creating Synergy Podcast under his belt and 8+ years leading Reframe Change, Dan is at home behind the mic. A 2023 40 under 40 alumnus, he's interviewed some of the most influential names in business in Australia and beyond. Watch him step out of his comfort zone and open up about his leadership journey, and all the bumps along the way, with co-host Connor O'Rourke on the Consciously Incompetent Podcast.
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Connor O'Rourke
Host · Cofounder & CEO at Overlay AI
Currently Co-founder and CEO of Overlay AI, Connor has a proven track record of building businesses from the ground up and is a passionate leader of the teams behind them. He was named 40 under 40 Entrepreneur of the Year in 2023, and in 2026 won an ILF grant and the David B McNiel OAM Enterprise Award. Come and hear Connor open up about his journey and the lessons learnt as he bares it all alongside co-host Daniel Franco on the Consciously Incompetent Podcast.
Curious how the conversations actually go?
No highlight reel. Just two people talking through what change actually looks like from the inside.